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Was reading tonight from Norbu's "Self Perfected State".  There was a part on karmic vision which I found fascinating.  To think one being sees a river of water, and another being sees a river of lava is pretty wild.  Does this mean that its all layered on top of one base level of creation?  It makes me think of the movie Constantine, when he travels to hell and it looks just like the Earth but is broken down and burned.  In any case, here is the paragraphs.  

 

The teachings explain that there exist three types of vision: the karmic of impure vision of ordinary beings; the vision of the "experiences" that arise to practitioners; and the pure vision of realized beings.  Karmic vision is the illusory vision of beings in transmigration. It is called "illusory" because, depending on one's karma, it arises from a precise cause.  The six principal passions are considered to be the fundamental causes of the six dimensions of existence.  Attachment, jealousy, pride, mental obscuration, greed, and anger, give rise, respectively, to the karmic visions of the gods, the semi-gods, human beings, animals, hungry ghosts and hell beings.  These dimensions are not worlds that can be found to be located in some area of the universe, but are karmic visions, which manifest according to the prevalence of one or other of the passions.

 

For we human beings, for example, the hell realm does not exist; but if we accumulate during this lifetime sufficient karma of the passion of anger, we can very easily be born in our next life in the karmic vision of hell. And the same is true if we accumulate the passions which cause births as other types of beings. Each one of them has a characteristic karmic vision, which lasts until the karma that produced it has been used up. A story used to give an example of this tells that there once came together, near a river, six different types of beings who each saw the river in a different way.  The god among the six saw the river as nectar, the hungry ghost saw it as flaming lava, the human being as clear water, and so on.  This example is used to make one understand that there does not exist one vision that is objectively real and concrete in the same way for all beings.  If we were to offer a glass of water to drink to a hungry ghost, it would probably burn his throat.

 

 

 

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To me, there is not really what you could call a base level of creation.  More like there is a primordial (motion of nothingness) and then various overlay transmission channels.  More like each being can access different frequency transmissions (based on karma) and then that range forms the perceptional reality for the being.

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9 minutes ago, Jeff said:

To me, there is not really what you could call a base level of creation.  More like there is a primordial (motion of nothingness) and then various overlay transmission channels.  More like each being can access different frequency transmissions (based on karma) and then that range forms the perceptional reality for the being.

 

This is fascinating, thanks Jeff.  Is what transmission you can access based on an individual basis, or more like “human” level?

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1 hour ago, FaXin said:

 

This is fascinating, thanks Jeff.  Is what transmission you can access based on an individual basis, or more like “human” level?

 

There is a broader human world range, but everyone is unique. That is why some can see/access more astral stuff and other layers.

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2 hours ago, Jeff said:

 

There is a broader human world range, but everyone is unique. That is why some can see/access more astral stuff and other layers.

Cool stuff. Thanks. 

 

Another example they gave in the book was a human looking at a yellow tent and knowing what it’s for, and a dog looking at a yellow tent and not seeing a tent, or yellow. But however a dog sees such a thing. 

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10 minutes ago, FaXin said:

Cool stuff. Thanks. 

 

Another example they gave in the book was a human looking at a yellow tent and knowing what it’s for, and a dog looking at a yellow tent and not seeing a tent, or yellow. But however a dog sees such a thing. 

 

Yes, very good example.

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When, on the other hand, the causes of karmic vision have been totally purified, one's vision does not disappear altogether, but rather manifests in it's pure form, as the dimension of realized beings. In tantrism, for example, the final result of the practice is the transformation of the five passions into the five wisdoms. Thus the passions are not eliminated or annihilated, but are transformed in such a way that they manifest in their purified, or essential, aspect.  This pure vision of realized beings is not subject to the limits of space and time.

 

Here, Norbu describes the "vision of realized beings."

 

The line that sticks out for me is turning the five passions (attachment,jealousy, pride, anger, greed) into the five wisdoms - using them to illuminate the things we are holding onto.

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