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I went through the bhumis as mentioned on the internet. What they refer as 10th level ,i and the dream mean it to be 1st level. It is looking at the Bhumi levels from different ends.  

Reason is that it is an unexpected rarest incident happening after billions of years and the surprise shock to the commander in chief.

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8 hours ago, riju said:

I hardly finished writing the above letter and immediately a Jhanna entered my body/mind with the answer. and the answer is ........... Yes I am describing the normal levels of ten bhumis.

In the dream I did not direct my attention to 5th or 1st level. Now I say that I belong to Ist level of bhummi to Buddhahood after my attention is drawn by you.

While I would agree that in my view you are solidly at the 1st bhumi, I would say that with some of our past joint work I have noticed you periodically at higher levels. 

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14 hours ago, Jeff said:

While I would agree that in my view you are solidly at the 1st bhumi, I would say that with some of our past joint work I have noticed you periodically at higher levels. 

I would seriously meditate over your comment. Meanwhile any hint from you in this direction will help.

 

 

 

 

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Some extracts on 10th level bhoddisattvas

. DHARMAMEGHA-BHUMI (THE LAND OF DHARMA CLOUDS)

Buddha-hood is confirmed, and he enters Tushita Heaven. Tushita Heaven is the heaven of contended gods, where there are Buddhas who will be reborn only one more time. Maitreya is said to live there also.

The tenth bhūmi, the Cloud of Dharma[edit]

On the tenth bhūmi, bodhisattvas overcome the subtlest traces of the afflictions. Like a cloud that pours rain on the earth, these bodhisattvas spread the dharma in all directions, and each sentient being absorbs what it needs in order to grow spiritually. Thus Nāgārjuna states that

The tenth is the Cloud of Dharma because
The rain of excellent doctrine falls,
The Bodhisattva is consecrated
With light by the Buddhas.[20]

At this stage bodhisattvas enter into progressively deeper meditative absorptions and develop limitless powers with regard to magical formulas. They cultivate the perfection of exalted wisdom, which, according to Asaṅga, enables them to increase their exalted wisdom. This in turn strengthens the other perfections. As a result, they become established in the joy of the doctrine.[21]

They acquire perfect bodies, and their minds are cleansed of the subtlest traces of the afflictions. They manifest in limitless forms for the benefit of others and transcend the ordinary laws of time and space. They are able to place entire world systems in a single pore, without diminishing them or increasing the size of the pore. When they do this, the beings inhabiting the worlds feel no discomfort, and only those who are advanced bodhisattvas even notice.

Bodhisattvas on this level receive a form of empowerment from innumerable buddhas. This is called "great rays of light", because the radiance of these bodhisattvas shines in all directions. This empowerment helps them in removing the remaining obstructions to omniscience and gives them added confidence and strength. At the final moment of this stage they enter into a meditative state called the "vajralike meditative stabilization", in which the subtlest remaining obstacles to buddhahood are overcome. They arise from this concentration as Buddhas.

Additional bhūmi[edit]

 
 
 
 

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Any bhoddisatva at 10th Bhumi (ist level) can become Buddha in one birth if he enters Tushita heaven. Lord Maiterya is at present there in line for Buddhahood. But my seed or my mind is not ready to enter Tushita level so soon. I have already made my self ready to take many many births on 26th and 27th plane. I am ready to go through a lot of sufferings .

For me there is a reason behind this. Many  Mahasattvas and bhoddisattvas in the past have done so/are doing so . They delay their entry to buddhahood. Lotus sutra is full of examples of such bhoddisattvas.Chapter 24 (bhoddisattva wonderful sound) and chapter 25 (The universal gateway of the bhoddisattva perceilver of the   world sounds) are two such examples.

Is that what you are indicating Jeff?

 
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Yogas_of_Naropa
I have gone through this site..Those who delay to enter buddhahood  go through the various methods mentioned in this site and come across these achievements. But they are now Mahasttvas instead of bhoddisattvas. I think I am already striving to achieve Phowa grong without support 
 

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I have come to conclusion that I am not suitable for any or all of methods mentioned in the above site.

I have also come to understand that even Phowa grong is going to deviate me from my path. The reason is that my awareness sees physical atom and mind as one and the same thing. Both disappear in EMPTINESS when they join to-gether. Phowa grong can be achieved when mind and body get separated. 

In my case as body and consciousness (mind) try to part ways,my attention gets diverted to another physical atom in different part of the body. And the separation stops.

Since last one year I am being told of my initial seed. I refuse to write about this seed of mine as mentally even I am surprised and shocked at the idea. I am not averse to this seed idea.But it makes the Buddhahood seem easier comparably. All I see is that I shall on the way experience all the powers  mentioned on this site (sent by you) and also shall experience all the Jhannas and also the Buddhahood or even the Buddhas in Nirvan. I have to go on repeatedly taking births in all sorts of situations,

In  my first stage as I am now situated in Pune and am capable of changing small surrounding areas on 26th plane. In my astral form where physical matter is not that dense, my movements are wide spread'

In my second stage I shall have capability to effect changes in whole universe  in Phowa grong stage with complete body all over the universe.  This stage will come after many physical births.. Each birth will increase my area/volume . of movement.

Phowa grong stage is automatic for me in physical death, and by choice I have taken physical birth here and with purpose. All my future births will also be by  my choice after going through the CAUSE and its EFFECTS. My awareness is penetrating . Its effect can reach any part of my body (body is equal to all the universe).

The DREAM supports this idea otherwise why the saints will tell that my birth is rarest of rare and even commander -in-chief could not imagine it . And his falling unconscious indicates a serious blunder. This can effect the eras in coming times.

WITH OUT NAMING THE SEED its nature is AWARENESS of very high order.

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On 10/30/2017 at 6:13 PM, Jeff said:

Maybe consider the completion stage aspects of the six yogas of Nāropa. You may remember part of it as the blonde stuff.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Yogas_of_Naropa

Jeff,

This is my question to you on the system you follow.....

The above site describes all the present practiced Tibetian systems of ;yogas. This also includes Blonde system.

1.We all came down from EMPTINESS due to ignorance or lack of WISDOM. We had all the powers at higher levels but due to our ignorant use of these powers we not only lost the power , but we also came down to suffering existence. So seeking the powers through yoga is not going to work if not accompanied by the WISDOM.

WISDOM comes when we exist  and accept where ever we are. If we seek WISDOM , powers will come and they will hardly play any role. 

2.Some times with part WISDOM and these powers, we are capable of attracting a lot of disciples and raise am empire, but again we get diverted from our path due to these very disciples and empire and forget to seek WISDOM.

3.The disciples are attracted due to empire and powers and they come to the MASTERS seeking the same . Their attention hardly goes to seeking   WISDOMS.

DHARMA WHEEL is full of these tibetian yogins and their disciples. Some five years back when I wrote on that forum on Lotus sutra, they abused and threw me out because they thought that they are getting diverted from the beauty of these yogas. They said that Lotus sutra is not what Guatam Buddha taught. For them WISDOMS are waste of time.

How does the ;blond system ultimately benefit you or others?

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7 hours ago, riju said:

Jeff,

This is my question to you on the system you follow.....

The above site describes all the present practiced Tibetian systems of ;yogas. This also includes Blonde system.

1.We all came down from EMPTINESS due to ignorance or lack of WISDOM. We had all the powers at higher levels but due to our ignorant use of these powers we not only lost the power , but we also came down to suffering existence. So seeking the powers through yoga is not going to work if not accompanied by the WISDOM.

We have not "fallen" from emptiness based upon any "lack".  It is more like we "bubble up" from emptiness.  In the that bubbling up (of potential) process, we manifest in the broader buddhamind space.  Kind of like the primordial buddha providing a stable bubble (what we call the universe), so that we can grow and stabilize as a being.

As part of this individual stabilization, everyone becomes "self aware".  In this early self aware phase, one becomes attached to various items that they perceive in the stable bubble of buddhamind. This attachment is basis of all of the ego stuff that sentient beings experience.

7 hours ago, riju said:

WISDOM comes when we exist  and accept where ever we are. If we seek WISDOM , powers will come and they will hardly play any role. 

2.Some times with part WISDOM and these powers, we are capable of attracting a lot of disciples and raise am empire, but again we get diverted from our path due to these very disciples and empire and forget to seek WISDOM.

The growth of the individual self aware bubble continues over a very long time.  Wisdom starts when one begins to "clear out" all of the underlying ego attachment within the individual self aware bubble.  Higher wisdoms comes as one starts to further expand and integrate that self aware bubble into the broader buddhamind space.

When one begins to integrate into buddhamind (3rd & 4th bhumi), the clarity of this buddhamind radiates into the world.  That clarity/energy is often called "light".  That light though not able to be really seen (as it is clear), can be felt at a subconscious by all beings.  Beings are naturally attracted to that light, and hence the beings look to that person radiating for guidance. (hence master-student dynamics)

7 hours ago, riju said:

3.The disciples are attracted due to empire and powers and they come to the MASTERS seeking the same . Their attention hardly goes to seeking   WISDOMS.

DHARMA WHEEL is full of these tibetian yogins and their disciples. Some five years back when I wrote on that forum on Lotus sutra, they abused and threw me out because they thought that they are getting diverted from the beauty of these yogas. They said that Lotus sutra is not what Guatam Buddha taught. For them WISDOMS are waste of time.

I would agree that often people get attached to the process (and descriptions) itself, rather than the real underlying point.

7 hours ago, riju said:

How does the ;blond system ultimately benefit you or others?

What you call the blond system in classical tantric buddhism or dzogchen, would be known as Guru/Diety (or Dakini) yoga. The system is highly beneficial because one is using that "higher" buddhamind direct light flow and sort of imbuing it at local individual self bubble level.  It takes advantage of the natural male-female energy dynamic as sort of the delivery mechanism, but it is flowing a more pure light (than energy) into the systems.  Hence the clearing/purification process is greatly accelerated. With the accelerated approach, one has greater access to what you call "wisdoms".

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Just now, Jeff said:

We have not "fallen" from emptiness based upon any "lack".  It is more like we "bubble up" from emptiness.  In the that bubbling up (of potential) process, we manifest in the broader buddhamind space.  Kind of like the primordial buddha providing a stable bubble (what we call the universe), so that we can grow and stabilize as a being.

 

This needs explaining. We will explore it later together.

Just now, Jeff said:

What you call the blond system in classical tantric buddhism or dzogchen, would be known as Guru/Diety (or Dakini) yoga. The system is highly beneficial because one is using that "higher" buddhamind direct light flow and sort of imbuing it at local individual self bubble level.  It takes advantage of the natural male-female energy dynamic as sort of the delivery mechanism, but it is flowing a more pure light (than energy) into the systems.  Hence the clearing/purification process is greatly accelerated. With the accelerated approach, one has greater access to what you call "wisdoms".

Here I agree. Proof is also there in your writing and working. You not only located raw me a few years back , You could see the potential in me and you have successful in guiding me all along'

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10 hours ago, riju said:

This needs explaining. We will explore it later together.

Look forward to the discussion. 

10 hours ago, riju said:

Here I agree. Proof is also there in your writing and working. You not only located raw me a few years back , You could see the potential in me and you have successful in guiding me all along'

Proof is in the hugs (and the actual flows). :) 

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Jeff wrote

We have not "fallen" from emptiness based upon any "lack".  It is more like we "bubble up" from emptiness.  In the that bubbling up (of potential) process, we manifest in the broader buddhamind space.  Kind of like the primordial buddha providing a stable bubble (what we call the universe), so that we can grow and stabilize as a being.

As part of this individual stabilization, everyone becomes "self aware".  In this early self aware phase, one becomes attached to various items that they perceive in the stable bubble of buddhamind. This attachment is basis of all of the ego stuff that sentient beings experience.

 

I am not able to understand this process. Even though you also have explained further. 

I am giving below the extract from Lotus sutra. This is a very famous 12 link chain giving the cause of formation of this physical world. It explains the sequence of falling down (coming down) of EMPTINESS. The start is the ignorance. Can you fit in  your explanation of "Bubble up" in this chain. If required I can go into the details of this 12 link chain system of cause which brought us down from 0 level to 26th level and down to 31 level.


page 131

"Then he broadly expounded the Law of the twelve-linked chain of causation: ignorance causes action,
action causes consciousness, consciousness causes name and form, name and form cause the six sense
organs, the six sense organs cause contact, contact causes sensation, sensation causes desire, desire causes
attachment, attachment causes existence, existence causes birth, birth causes old age and death. Worry
and grief, suffering and anguish. If ignorance is wiped out, then action will be wiped out. If action is
wiped out, then consciousness will be wiped out. If consciousness is wiped out, then name and form will
be wiped out. If name and form are wiped out, then the six sense organs will be wiped out., then contact
will be wiped out. If contact is wiped out, then sensation will be wiped out. If sensation is wiped out, then
desire is wiped out. If desire is wiped out, then birth will be wiped out. If birth is wiped out, then old age
and death will be wiped out. If birth is wiped out, then old age and death, worry and grief, suffering and
anguish will be wiped out.

 

 

 

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The word "bubbling up" used by you and the word "falling down" are not a problem.

If we assume that the EMPTINESS is the seed , we can say also that the existence has bubbled up from the seed .ILt is same as tree coming up from the seed in earth.

It depends upon from which end we are looking at.

But the cause of bubbling up of this existence is IGNORANCE as per 12 link chain.

"The words primordial Buddha providing a stable bubble" are also alright as it means for me that this cause and effect churning has given bubbles of stability in the form of Buddha mind.

So it may be that we both are writing the same thing.

But in end these yogas are powers without sufficient WISDOM at the back for support and the trouble ma;y come up.

There are many bhoddisattvas in higher than 26th plane (higher towards zero) and they have very high powers. And their basic PART WISDOM is that coming down to lower planes is dangerous as that is an uncharted area for them. So they never come down but they employ others giving them protective shield and sending them down to these risky areas. In that case the risk falls not on them.  ARE YOU THE DISCIPLE OF SOME ADVANCED BHODDISATTVA AND ARE WORKING ON THIS EARTH UNDER HIS PROTECTLION?

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9 hours ago, riju said:

Jeff wrote

We have not "fallen" from emptiness based upon any "lack".  It is more like we "bubble up" from emptiness.  In the that bubbling up (of potential) process, we manifest in the broader buddhamind space.  Kind of like the primordial buddha providing a stable bubble (what we call the universe), so that we can grow and stabilize as a being.

As part of this individual stabilization, everyone becomes "self aware".  In this early self aware phase, one becomes attached to various items that they perceive in the stable bubble of buddhamind. This attachment is basis of all of the ego stuff that sentient beings experience.

 

I am not able to understand this process. Even though you also have explained further. 

I am giving below the extract from Lotus sutra. This is a very famous 12 link chain giving the cause of formation of this physical world. It explains the sequence of falling down (coming down) of EMPTINESS. The start is the ignorance. Can you fit in  your explanation of "Bubble up" in this chain. If required I can go into the details of this 12 link chain system of cause which brought us down from 0 level to 26th level and down to 31 level.

The difference that we are describing comes from the point of I am starting from well before what the lotus sutra calls “ignorance causing action”. Or maybe your could say more fully describing the “ignorance” part. In the text, it is presupposing that there is a being in the first place to even be ignorant or do an action.

So my order would be something like... bubble up from emptiness... formless and unaware blob of potential... potential starts to take essence... essence begins to become aware... aware essence attaches to stuff = ignorance... then your ignorance causes action...

9 hours ago, riju said:


page 131

"Then he broadly expounded the Law of the twelve-linked chain of causation: ignorance causes action,
action causes consciousness, consciousness causes name and form, name and form cause the six sense
organs, the six sense organs cause contact, contact causes sensation, sensation causes desire, desire causes
attachment, attachment causes existence, existence causes birth, birth causes old age and death. Worry
and grief, suffering and anguish. If ignorance is wiped out, then action will be wiped out. If action is
wiped out, then consciousness will be wiped out. If consciousness is wiped out, then name and form will
be wiped out. If name and form are wiped out, then the six sense organs will be wiped out., then contact
will be wiped out. If contact is wiped out, then sensation will be wiped out. If sensation is wiped out, then
desire is wiped out. If desire is wiped out, then birth will be wiped out. If birth is wiped out, then old age
and death will be wiped out. If birth is wiped out, then old age and death, worry and grief, suffering and
anguish will be wiped out.

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, riju said:

The word "bubbling up" used by you and the word "falling down" are not a problem.

If we assume that the EMPTINESS is the seed , we can say also that the existence has bubbled up from the seed .ILt is same as tree coming up from the seed in earth.

It depends upon from which end we are looking at.

But the cause of bubbling up of this existence is IGNORANCE as per 12 link chain.

"The words primordial Buddha providing a stable bubble" are also alright as it means for me that this cause and effect churning has given bubbles of stability in the form of Buddha mind.

So it may be that we both are writing the same thing.

But in end these yogas are powers without sufficient WISDOM at the back for support and the trouble ma;y come up.

There are many bhoddisattvas in higher than 26th plane (higher towards zero) and they have very high powers. And their basic PART WISDOM is that coming down to lower planes is dangerous as that is an uncharted area for them. So they never come down but they employ others giving them protective shield and sending them down to these risky areas. In that case the risk falls not on them.  ARE YOU THE DISCIPLE OF SOME ADVANCED BHODDISATTVA AND ARE WORKING ON THIS EARTH UNDER HIS PROTECTLION?

Assuming you meant this question for me... No, I am not a disciple of some advanced bhoddisatta, but I definitely support and venerate such  beings. My path is more like to be the universal “ground” for sentient beings so that they can work with such beings.

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Jeff quoted

my order would be something like... bubble up from emptiness... formless and unaware blob of potential... potential starts to take essence... essence begins to become aware... aware

 My path is more like to be the universal “ground” for sentient beings so that they can work with such beings.

  • 1............Where does the path of universal "ground"  fit in the above sequence.?
  • 2.............Or is it a separate system?
  • 3............In my meditation I find that if I apply AWARENESS WITH WISDOM ,,,,,,,,,,,,I recreate Emptiness.
  • AWARENESS WITH IGNORANCE creates chaos. So I have to take help of WISDOM gained from experiences as well as JHANAS.

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.Jeff quoted

The difference that we are describing comes from the point of I am starting from well before what the lotus sutra calls “ignorance causing action”. Or maybe your could say more fully describing the “ignorance” part. In the text, it is presupposing that there is a being in the first place to even be ignorant or do an action.

Y.

My question is that .....Is there a"being / not being" who has the WISDOM before the start of this creation And this being has an organisation of whom you are one being?

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9 hours ago, riju said:

Jeff quoted

my order would be something like... bubble up from emptiness... formless and unaware blob of potential... potential starts to take essence... essence begins to become aware... aware

 My path is more like to be the universal “ground” for sentient beings so that they can work with such beings.

  • 1............Where does the path of universal "ground"  fit in the above sequence.?
  • 2.............Or is it a separate system?
  • 3............In my meditation I find that if I apply AWARENESS WITH WISDOM ,,,,,,,,,,,,I recreate Emptiness.
  • AWARENESS WITH IGNORANCE creates chaos. So I have to take help of WISDOM gained from experiences as well as JHANAS.

While our overall frameworks we describe are very similar, they are different in a few ways. As an example, in my definition of emptiness, it is not possible to recreate it, as everything is a “subset” of emptiness. Your awareness + wisdom would be more like “manifest potential” to me, which is a subset. You sort of see it all as being inside of Brahman. To me it is more like Brahman emerges (or is the potential) of emptiness.

Hence my becoming like the universal ground, in your framework would be like I knew how to become a Buddha, but instead decided to be the backstop for sentient beings, so that they could better access the clear light of Buddha’s and higher beings. In terms of wisdoms, it is sort of like I provide the “extra space” for not my wisdoms, but those of other beings that have the potential to manifest.

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9 hours ago, riju said:

.Jeff quoted

The difference that we are describing comes from the point of I am starting from well before what the lotus sutra calls “ignorance causing action”. Or maybe your could say more fully describing the “ignorance” part. In the text, it is presupposing that there is a being in the first place to even be ignorant or do an action.

Y.

My question is that .....Is there a"being / not being" who has the WISDOM before the start of this creation And this being has an organisation of whom you are one being?

As I responded in the previous post, emptiness is not inside of Brahman (or some being like it). Brahman is an example of the “One” who emerges from the Dao in Taoism. Dao = Emptiness.

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14 hours ago, Jeff said:

While our overall frameworks we describe are very similar, they are different in a few ways. As an example, in my definition of emptiness, it is not possible to recreate it, as everything is a “subset” of emptiness. Your awareness + wisdom would be more like “manifest potential” to me, which is a subset. You sort of see it all as being inside of Brahman. To me it is more like Brahman emerges (or is the potential) of emptiness.

Hence my becoming like the universal ground, in your framework would be like I knew how to become a Buddha, but instead decided to be the backstop for sentient beings, so that they could better access the clear light of Buddha’s and higher beings. In terms of wisdoms, it is sort of like I provide the “extra space” for not my wisdoms, but those of other beings that have the potential to manifest.

I was sitting in meditation today morning about 4 hours earlier. I had not read this mail of yours. 

But you had already written and posted it.

A sudden and huge turn has happened. This turn is not yet very clear to me now. But it is related to two strange opposite ideas.

1. One idea strengthens the answer you have written above.

2.Second idea relates to Lotus sutra.  Guatam Buddha has bestowed prophesy of Buddhahood at many places in the book.  He then goes on to describe the details of His; Buddha rule. ...................................(page 51 describes Shariputra and his Buddha prophesy, and there are many more prophesies in later pages)

 

I need time to digest the details and then come back to you.

 

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14 hours ago, Jeff said:

As I responded in the previous post, emptiness is not inside of Brahman (or some being like it). Brahman is an example of the “One” who emerges from the Dao in Taoism. Dao = Emptiness.

I think, I understand. But I need time to express the understanding in my way.

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Heavy inflows of cosmic energies on 6th and 7th along with confusion in understanding Jeff's post of 6th.

End result is that my subsequent reply is also confusing to me and hence should be assumed as deleted..

Today morning meditation was clear and strong, but I will wait for another day to re-study Jeff's post of 6th.

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Experinment is on........................................................

Jeff's hugs caused heavy inflow of cosmic energies of positive type. These energies  (offering bliss) were sent to emptiness by Riju causing strengthening of Jhannas of higher level , as well as get rest /respite from processing painful cosmic energies from spirits and sentients.

Now I have been receiving heavy and painful cosmic energies from Valnone (23 ;year young man from Finland). These energies were also sent to emptiness, again causing strengthening of lower level Jhannas of 26th plane.

Riju is happy that he is able to strengthen and add new Jhannas to Lotus sutra with Valnone 's help.

Valnone is happy that he is able to help his parents and siblings.He is able to send those energies to Riju by having full faith in Riju's writings, thereby he is expanding and adding Jhannas to his body. If he continues on this path, then the strengthening of Jhannas will make him one day get  freedom from this faith to Riju. The faith will shift  to emptiness. This will open vast avenues for him.

I am not able to understand as yet what Jeff is getting or doing through hugs?

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