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  2. Lankavatara Sutra - Study

    I agree with everything you said, but still have that one question. I don't think you answered my question. When we say Buddha realizes Emptiness, who is the Buddha? Is he the One that came from Dao, or one of the 10,000 that expanded into everything and still expanding? No matter which one in the question above, still it is part of the One that came out of Dao. So, the realization is to Buddha. Does the realization have any significance in the absence of a Buddha, One or even Samsara? Emptiness with just potential without the One and universe seem just not possible from that statement in Sutra. They both exist dependent to each other.
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    The relation is to show there is no duality, there isn't black and white, male and female, it is all one thing. As you know there isn't prana, kundalini, universal consciousness. It is all the same thing, just depends on ones depth as to how each is perceived. From my understanding and I could be wrong. You have the One, that is where many stop but the One is a limitation as well. A Buddha is one that realizes the emptiness of Universal Reality. Each Buddha is unique based on there own unique matrix of obstructions. There is always a bubble of consciousness that realizes. Going light is a realization of the Dao, emptiness of self is a realization of the Dao. Again it is all stages and the depth of such realizations.
  4. Lankavatara Sutra - Study

    The quote from Lankavatara Sutra says Nirvana is only in relation to Samsara. No Samsara, then no Nirvana. Along the same lines, I came up with the question, emptiness as just void with potential (before the One or manifest reality), cannot be meaningful for anyone. For it to be meaningful, something needs to be there to experienced. Who realizes the Dao or Emptiness? It can't be the Dao realizing the Dao, then it sounds like Brahman. One, universal mind or shiva can self reflect, but Dao can't. If it is the universal mind that realizes the Dao, then Dao has meaning only with respect to the universal mind, right?
  5. Lankavatara Sutra - Study

    Where did you get the "So, does that mean Dao or Emptiness has no meaning or significance of itself? " from? To me the above quote is saying they are the same thing. Much like this. 3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.
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    Agree about the deeper realization, my question was about who realizes that deeper thing? That must be the Universal mind or at least in relation or dependent to the universal mind as that quote from Sutra points out. Nirvana can make sense only with respect to, or in relation to samsara. So, does that mean Dao or Emptiness has no meaning or significance of itself?
  7. Lankavatara Sutra - Study

    One way to think of it is as a realization. Light or emptiness of self is a realization of being, going beyond the concept of a local self to a realized being is a deeper realization. Realizing the emptiness of the One is an even deeper realization of being.
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    "Conditions of existence are not of a mutually exclusive character; in essence things are not two but one. Even Nirvana and Samsára’s world of life and death are aspects of the same thing, for there is no Nirvana except where is Samsára, and no Samsára except where is Nirvana. All duality is falsely imagined." This made me wonder, does Dao or Emptiness have any meaning in the absence of One (or universal mind)?. Dao is Dao to who, if there is no universal mind?
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    I find this very interesting. By emptiness of self-nature is meant that all things in their self-nature are un-born; therefore, it is said that things are empty as to self-nature. By emptiness of ‘no work’ is meant that the aggregate of elements that makes up personality and its external world is Nirvana itself and from the beginning there is no activity in them; therefore, one speaks of the emptiness of ‘no work’. By emptiness of work is meant that the aggregates being devoid of an ego and its belongings, go on functioning automatically as there is mutual conjunction of causes and conditions; thus one speaks of the emptiness of work. By emptiness of all things in the same sense that they are unpredictable is meant that, as the very nature of false-imagination is inexpressible, so all things are unpredictable, and, therefore, are empty in that sense. By emptiness in its highest sense of the emptiness of Ultimate Reality is meant that the in the attainment of inner self-realization of Noble Wisdom there is no trace of habit-energy generated by erroneous conceptions; thus one speaks of the highest emptiness of Ultimate Reality.
  11. Lankavatara Sutra - Study

    I am starting to understand this sutra much better and feel certain things stated in the sutra about mind and emptiness clearly in the last month. Would really love for this discussion to continue, and for everyone to participate!
  12. Hi Riju, Thanks for the response to my questions. Sorry, I just checked your post above. I understand how you feel about Jesus. To me, Jesus feels like the next Buddha or the advancement or the next major turning after the Gautama Buddha. Please continue with your thoughts on Kalki and how they change humanity and our spiritual evolution. I look forward to reading more, if you have something more you would like to share. Much Love Siva.
  13. About being female

    I love that - very cool realization! <3
  14. About being female

    Thanks for joining the conversation, S1va - sounds like you're having some potent experiences! The whole level thing is still a mystery to me, both determining others' and my own. I can't really comment on that other than to say that there have been times when the female side has seemed like a 'blank' place. I wouldn't really see/feel/get anything. There were also times when I became Xena warrior woman, fiercely protective of whomever I was working with. Now, my experience is similar to yours - peaceful, very expansive, and usually with a warm glow. On the male side, it's really fun to feel super powerful. A lot of the time though I feel a bit like a bull in a china shop, or a giant dumb jock. Safe to say there's lots of blackboard left to clear there. Your insights have brought a lot to the conversation, S1va. Thanks for bringing them to the table.
  15. About being female

    Very interesting discussion. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences. I was not logging into or checking the LU forums when this topic was created. I find the polarity itself fascinating. The One appears from Dao. If the One has to become many, what are the choices? The one can clone itself into 10,000 without polarity. But, then where is the fun. Not just the fun, the universe cannot function without the polarity. There will be no attachment or desire if there is no polarity, and therefore no samsara. So, the creation or seperation of the polarity is the brilliant master stroke of the genius One. Thus the maya becomes functional and resulting in a Universe of beings. Each one of the 10,000 seems to have both polarities to certain extent. I think in going light, we open up and start to see the other polarity or the side of us. To me, more than the light level, the level 10 seems to be the place where the clarity about these things become more apparent. It can be different in other's experiences. I would also like to hear from others, how their perspective or feel on polarity changed as they progressed through the levels. For me, at the earlier stages the clearings in the female side felt harder at times. Switching to the male side has even felt like a relief few times. But, I think the real knowing of a certain level comes only when the other polarity (with respect to our external polarity male/female) reaches that level. It might be interesting to hear other opinions on this also. I generally feel stronger energetic flows in the male side. The female side is more calmer, expansive with an accommodating feel for me. There is also the strong tendency to reach out and help, to be the 'part of' happenings. The male can be more self absorbed than the female -- both externally and also with the inner polarity. With some recent changes, my feel of the female polarity has changed entirely. I felt mostly at peace and blissful at times during the recent expansion in the female side which still seems to be continuing in the past 2 weeks. The balance or the level of clarity I feel now is unlike anything I have felt previously either on female or male side. Something has moved and the world has become more playful in general and I am (the local me) is grateful for that, and the larger me (universal me) is just becoming apparent with the self apprehension and finding its nature as pure bliss untouched by the external experiences.
  16. The Path of the Immortal...

    Really nice thread with some great insight into the passage from TTC, and the path of the immortals. Thanks to everyone that contributed to this discussion.
  17. Jesus followed the line of compassion (taking suffering of others on himself) .As he never told about lotus sutra , and hence I sssume he is one of the great Bhoddisatvas . There are many bhoddisattvas who do not know lotus sutra and hence they could not have the benefit of recirculation. Jesus Himself said that He is son of God (some higher power but less than the ultimate God). I feel that many Kalkis are in operation now and hence the change for better. Most of the kalki need not show up as, they are fully capable in themselves. Their tool is their body. Kalkis improve the enviorment alround and benefit goes to everyone.
  18. What do you think of Jesus or other masters outside of India. Do you think any of them brought any major turnings after Gautam Buddha brought down the wisdom of Lotus sutra and the Treasure Tower? Jesus did absorb the evil (sins) of others, which to me looks like destroying the evilness in a body as you describe. Also, is it possible in your opinion that this change to absorb the unlimited cosmic energy from the treasure tower might have happened already and we humans have a better potential possibly right now? Not in relation to Jesus, but perhaps by some other Buddha possibly after the time period of Jesus.
  19. The difference between Krishna and Kalki is enormous. Krishna had 16 Kalas (skills. siddhis). One of the most powerful kala was SUDHARSHAN CHAKRA. He had acquired Sudharshan chakra from Gods due to his tapasya (effort) in previous births.With this chakra, he could block the mind of an enemy and destroy the enemy. This chakra was nothing but reserve of cosmic power. By using this chakra Krishna was reducing the reserve of cosmic power in him and hence he used this skill RARELY. Instead by using this chakra he had created a fear in the minds of his enemies. This fear reduced the power of enemies. While each Jhanna a kalki acquires is a source of cosmic energy. A kalki can use this store of cosmic energy for making as many sudharshan chakras as he wants. But his purpose is not to kill a body , as each body is a creation and ultimate GOD (ONE) loves creation . Kalki understands the importance of a creation and he will not destroy a body. Rather he will destroy the evilness in a body of the enemy.
  20. 7th avatar Rama destroyed evilness in Ravana by killing his body with bow and arrow . Because Rama had evolved to the extent where he could kill a person from a distance . 8th avatar Krishna could destroy evilness in Kansa and Kauravas also by killing their bodies. Because he had highly developed intellect . logic and Wisdom and part internal meditation Wisdom (he possessed 16 kalas, and hence he tells in GIta that mind is superior to body and praises YOGIS). 9th Avatar Guatam Buddha brought down the wisdom of LOTUS SUTRA and the TREASURE TOWER ( a source from which limitless cosmic energy can be tapped) on our earth. 10th avatar Kalki gains the ultimate kala of tapping this cosmic energy from TREASURE TOWER. His capacity grows with time and use as he progresses. This capacity grows depending on Jhannas whose size and number grows. Acquiring or growing a JHANNA is a kala (talent). So with time his internal talents (kalas) increase. These Jhannas can only be acquired by fighting an internal war with evilness. A Kalki does not kill a body , he destroys evilness. His tools are Jhannas. And Jhannas can be acquired by experiences gained in field of war. So evil surrounding are a MUST. And till he is ambitious for more kalas , he can not be happy and peaceful. I have written a lot on Jhannas earlier , please read that.
  21. Do you mean Kalki as in one of 10 Vishnu's avatars? I saw the other post about equating the 10 avatars of Vishnu with progressive spiritual evolution at the highest level. Very interesting topic. I have read some of your older posts also and found some of them to be fascinating. The 7th point above puzzles me. Why do you think a Kalki cannot be happy and peaceful if the surroundings are not conducive? I would think a person who has access to limitless cosmic energy, will be at peace now matter what the surroundings are. Also once a person has reached the Kalki state, is it possible to come down to be a Arhat? Just curious.
  22. Powers of Kalkis.......... 1. A Kalki is an evolved super human being on 26 th plane in this universe . 2. He gets limitless flow of Cosmic energy due to his mastery in the circulation system of Lotus sutra . This system came down to this plane due to efforts of Guatam Buddha. This flow comes down to Kalki from Treasute Towers described in a chapter from Lotus sutra. 3. This Cosmic energy is capable of fulfilling all his desires and wishes. But their are Limitations. 4. A Kalki very soon comes to know that he has limitless earning power, But he stops spending this energy on earnings due to his WISDOM of Lotus sutra. 5. A Kalki knows that he can remove all his body diseases and sufferings . 6. A Kalki also can extend his age by delaying his death . These limitations come when he tries to acquire things beyond his life to other lives. As other life also has limited cosmic energy and that can not be challanged. 7. So a Kalki cannot be totally happy and peaceful , if his surroundings challange this nature . And hence a Kalki has to spend a lot of his cosmic energy for the benefit of his surroundings. For this a Kalki has to change the surroundings and go to isolation . WISDOM OF LOTUS SUTRA DOES NOT ALLOW THIS ISOLATION....... because isolation will lead to ARHATSHIP and Lotus sutra is against this step'
  23. Dash Avtara is a sanskrit word. It is mentioned in Vedas. One can get details on the internet . It is mostly mentioned as a part of SANATAN HINDU DHARAM. Lotus sutra gives the details of the evolution process that mind cosmic energy goes through over a long period of time. The process crosses Paralays and Mahaparlays. Dash Avtara is the process of evolution that our physical world of 26th plane is following crossing over Parlays and Mahaparlays. Dash in english means 10 (ten). Avatara means birth of GOD (ONE) on our planet to push the evolution one step further.. Following are the ten births 1. Fish in the water......After the birth of GOD in water the life in the form of fish started and expanded. 2. Tortoise........The life moved towards the EARTH from the sea in the form of Tortoise who could live life both on earth as well in water. 3. Boar...............The evoultion of an animal took over the earth when the God descended in the form of Boar. 4.Narsingh..........Half huma and half lion. This was the start of intelligence in the form of memory in the animals and became an important source of survival in animals. 5.Bouna.............A sort of animal in the form of intelligent monkey. Here memory and intelligence both play the part and help in survival. 6. Parshurama.......He is a wild and angry man who is able to use axe (instrument of survival) . 7. Rams..............Whole of Ramayana epic describes this man. Basiclly the evolution survival moves towards duty towards family. 8. Krishna.........Mahabharta and Gita are the source of details. The evolution enlarges the scope from family to kingdoms for survival. 9. Buddhas........Human life moves inwards via meditation and acquires WISDOMS for survival 10. KALKI........Human being moves towards MYSTICAL POWERS in meditation and takes oves the earth. I have written a lot on BUDDAH systems . Now is the time to move over to KALKI process of evolution.
  24. Lankavatara Sutra - Study

    Continuing on. Any thoughts on Chapter 3 starting with the following.
  25. Lankavatara Sutra - Study

    To me it is saying it is not in some place or some where. It is much the same thing as what Jesus say's here. 3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty." This to me is one of the most important lines in the sutra. "False-imagination teaches that such things as light and shade, long and short, black and white are different and are to be discriminated; but they are not independent of each other; they are only different aspects of the same thing, they are terms of relation and not of reality. " You can apply that to different types of energy, Shakti and Shiva or Nirvana and samara.
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    It is interesting to note the way Nirvana is described. There is no nirvana except where is samara and vice versa. Sounds like everything is subject to dependent origination. I just wonder if nirvana is valid only in relation to samsara, how is it indicative of the void or state of emptiness?
  27. The following is an excerpt from Mantra, Rituals and Consciousness In chapter fourteen of Tantrasāra, Abhinavagupta describes the procedure of the purification of the six paths, which takes place after the completion of the paśuhoma. After this, a teacher brings the disciple in front of him and places all of six paths into his body by performance of adhvanyāsa. By doing this, he purifies auspicious and inauspicious deeds of a disciple who desires mokṣa and only inauspicious ones of a disciple who desires bhoga. This is because, ‘the distinction in attainment lies in the nature of one’s latent impressions [vāsanā], for mantras grant different result according to one’s latent desires.’ Thus asserting the nature of the latent desires of the disciple, the teacher reflects on the principal mantra internally and then meditates on his identity with śiva. This purifies all the six paths of the disciple’s body. Furthermore, the teacher should identify his consciousness with the disciple. Abhinavagupta writes: ‘In this way, the body, from the small toe to the end of dvādaśānta, as well as his consciousness should be made one with the body and the consciousness of the disciple. Having accomplished this, he should rest in the immense like of bliss, the essence of which is autonomy and Lordship, perfectly full with the will, knowledge and activity, in the Lord of the host of deities, full of all paths, the entirety of the sphere of the entities terminating in consciousness. By means of this kind of initiation with the self of the disciple, the disciple becomes identical with the supreme Lord.’ We can see, from the above examples, how rituals are interpreted by Abhinavagupta. In the first example, impurity is described as ignorance, while purity is said to be the knowledge in the form of identification with śiva. The external bathing is the purification attained by gaining the identity with mantravīrya. This is a gradual procedure that begins with the pārthiva type of bathing and culminates in the bathing in one’s own Self. In the second and third examples, we can see that the teacher’s intent to impart the knowledge and in particular his realization of the potency of mantra is that which enables a disciple to have a glimpse of the innermost reality which is his own Self.
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